What can I do to help the players remember the rules?

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I have a group of players that I have been playing with for a while now. A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

I’ve DMed for them from level 1 all the way to level 12 at this point (with sessions every week for about a year), and a couple of the players ask me every time what they add to an attack roll. I was wondering while not being a jerk about it are there any tips to help them with basic stuff like that?

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    How long in real-world time would you estimate you have been playing with the players that are an issue? Also, is it just a few particular rules that they always miss or do they basically not know any of them?
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    Related, posed with a generic D&D scope; another which is 5e but a particularly thorny player.
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  • Been playing everyweek for around a year. It’s mostly things like attack rolls and things like tool checks.
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I have a group of players that I have been playing with for a while now. A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

I’ve DMed for them from level 1 all the way to level 12 at this point (with sessions every week for about a year), and a couple of the players ask me every time what they add to an attack roll. I was wondering while not being a jerk about it are there any tips to help them with basic stuff like that?

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    How long in real-world time would you estimate you have been playing with the players that are an issue? Also, is it just a few particular rules that they always miss or do they basically not know any of them?
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    Related, posed with a generic D&D scope; another which is 5e but a particularly thorny player.
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    Nov 28 at 21:40

  • Been playing everyweek for around a year. It’s mostly things like attack rolls and things like tool checks.
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I have a group of players that I have been playing with for a while now. A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

I’ve DMed for them from level 1 all the way to level 12 at this point (with sessions every week for about a year), and a couple of the players ask me every time what they add to an attack roll. I was wondering while not being a jerk about it are there any tips to help them with basic stuff like that?

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I have a group of players that I have been playing with for a while now. A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

I’ve DMed for them from level 1 all the way to level 12 at this point (with sessions every week for about a year), and a couple of the players ask me every time what they add to an attack roll. I was wondering while not being a jerk about it are there any tips to help them with basic stuff like that?

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    – Rubiksmoose
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    Related, posed with a generic D&D scope; another which is 5e but a particularly thorny player.
    – nitsua60♦
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  • Been playing everyweek for around a year. It’s mostly things like attack rolls and things like tool checks.
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    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 28 at 21:38

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    Related, posed with a generic D&D scope; another which is 5e but a particularly thorny player.
    – nitsua60♦
    Nov 28 at 21:40

  • Been playing everyweek for around a year. It’s mostly things like attack rolls and things like tool checks.
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    Nov 28 at 21:44

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How long in real-world time would you estimate you have been playing with the players that are an issue? Also, is it just a few particular rules that they always miss or do they basically not know any of them?
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How long in real-world time would you estimate you have been playing with the players that are an issue? Also, is it just a few particular rules that they always miss or do they basically not know any of them?
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Related, posed with a generic D&D scope; another which is 5e but a particularly thorny player.
– nitsua60♦
Nov 28 at 21:40

Related, posed with a generic D&D scope; another which is 5e but a particularly thorny player.
– nitsua60♦
Nov 28 at 21:40

Been playing everyweek for around a year. It’s mostly things like attack rolls and things like tool checks.
– Crebeble
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Been playing everyweek for around a year. It’s mostly things like attack rolls and things like tool checks.
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Be prepared to tutor them in the rules.

Much like video games have “tutorial” levels that are basically an exercise in playing the game, you will need to set up situations and encounters that are simple and actually walk them through the rules a few times before they can be expected to master them.

Make them accountable for knowing their own characters.

Characters in D&D have many special powers, spells and magic items that all have unique powers and uses in as many different situations that all have to be reconciled with each other. As a DM, you are responsible for adjudicating how these things act in concert, but the players should be able to tell you exactly what their powers and abilities are and how the work.

If a player looks to you every time to explain what their options are, what their attacks are, how to calculate their attack roll, it shows that they don’t really know their character well enough. In these case, eventually you must push back and make them figure it out on their own. Like spoiled children, if you do it for them every time, they will never do it on their own.

You do not have to be a jerk to accomplish this, though you will potentially have to call out players at the table.

For Example:

GM: Ok, Warrior, it is your turn, what do you want to do?

Unprepared Warrior: I attack the nearest one… I rolled a 6.

GM: That is a miss…

Unprepared Warrior: Oh, wait I have to add my proficiency bonus…

GM: Ok, what is the total then?

Unprepared Warrior: Um, I don’t know… *looks at you expectantly*

GM: Ok, we’ll skip you while you figure it out. Moving on… Mage! It’s your turn!

Guaranteed that after being skipped over a few times the unprepared player will write down their attack bonus!

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    Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
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    @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
    – Destruktor
    Nov 29 at 1:15

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    It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
    – WakiNadiVellir
    Nov 29 at 20:30

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If your players have been doing this for a year and are still having difficulty remembering something they have done hundreds of times, I suspect that one of a few things is happening:

  • Do your players have their full character sheets filled out? Have they written in the calculated bonus for each attack they make? Have they added up all the bonus points in each skill?
  • Have you encouraged your players to remember on their own or to coach each other? Or do your players reflexively ask you for help when they don’t actually need it? Have they just become used to being reliant on you for those things?
  • Have you recently given an overview lesson on how that general class of rolls works? Is it possible that they think that each roll is mysteriously unique?

If you answered yes to all of those and it’s still an issue, then I would talk with the players individually and try to figure out where their confusion is. Make sure to not come off as overly concerned- it is a small thing, after all- but instead keep it focused on making sure they are able to have a good time. You could say something like “Hey, I noticed that you still seem a little confused about making attack rolls. It’s fine to ask for help, but I was wondering if you could tell me about why it’s confusing so that I can be more effective.”

I hope that helps- Good luck!

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    Cheat Sheets

    When I play slightly more complex characters I make a “Combat Turn Cheat Sheet”. The idea is I made this character work really well one way and I never want to forget a step so I start with the basics.

    Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str + BAB + 1 (magic)

    Damage: 2d6 +1d4 (GWM) + Str + 1 (magic)

    additional steps or alterations just keep going with them looking like step on a stair case (if/else statements for programmers). Some things I would add are poisons if used often, feats or special abilities that tack on extra rolls.

    For example, this is what my 3.5e Crusader looked like.

    • pick a maneuver

    • Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str (8) + BAB (8/3) + 3

      • Damage: 3d6 + Str (8 * 1.5) + 3
      • Maneuver: apply maneuver
        • if critical apply vorporal: insta-kill
    • Apply Knock Down (if damage > 15): 1d20 + Size (4) + Improved Trip (4) + Str (8)

      • Attack of Opportunity: Attack Roll
        • Attack of Opportunity: Damage Roll

    I would assume anyone could dish out full damage on my character if they just read my card and followed the steps.

    This can also be done for defense if needed.

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      I use a separate scratch note paper.

      You could ask the players to write the relevant numbers in a piece of paper before the battle: Which weapon (just a letter or two), which dice, how much to add/subtract, THAC0, whatever the game needs. Same with the relevant often used proficiencies etc, so there’s no need to skim a long list to find just the right number. Keep the paper up to date when things change, ask player to add new weapons as they use them etc.

      This is scratch paper, so there’s no need to be “neat”, just cross over old stuff and write new next to it. Therefore this paper is also good for keeping track of current HP and any such rapidly fluctuating resources. Just cross out the old value and write new next to it. There’s never supposed to be a lot of current numbers on this paper!

      After the session, player might keep the paper for the next session, but it’s probably better to just rip it up after the session as a SOP, unless the session needed to end in the middle of a battle or something. This avoids having conflicting numbers on 2 papers at the start of the next session. Ripping it up also avoids the paper accidentally becoming a 2nd character sheet with important information on it.

      It shouldn’t be long before the players stop needing the paper, but I just think it’s nice to have even when you know the rules. It frees my mind for more relevant things than remembering a bunch of numbers, or skimming through long list of proficiencies written with small text. Also, being able to write down loot, names and places etc quick&dirty, then copying it more carefully to character sheet after the session/during my char being out of the action suits me well.

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        Suggest players use digital character sheets

        In addition to Destruktor’s suggestions, several members of my group use D&D Beyond to build digital character sheets that automatically do all the calculations for them. That way, they just have 1 number to add to their rolls and all they have to do is know which skill or weapon or spell to look at on their sheet.

        They mostly play from their phone or tablet but I think there’s a way to print off the character sheet, too.

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        • There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
          – V2Blast
          Nov 29 at 4:33

        • I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
          – El_Jairo
          Nov 29 at 15:20

        • I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
          – Rykara
          Nov 29 at 18:58

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        Different people learn differently

        There are other resources available to help them. While Destruktor’s answer is the best one, I want to supplement that suggestion with the option of using video instructions from YouTube (Like Handbooker Helper from the Critical Role guys)

        There are a lot of basic tutorials out there that may help out, and seeing it done in an instructional video may help people who learn best by watching.

        In play, a lot is going on, and it can be confusing for a new player to compartmentalize everything coming at them at once.

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        • Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
          – L.S. Cooper
          Nov 29 at 17:44

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        What I always say about a gaming system:
        “At one point it is very handy to read the rules to play the game correctly and completely.”

        I wonder what type of people you are playing with because after a year of weekly playing, that would mean 52 game sessions with one or more combats per session with let’s assume 4 combat turns. That’s about at least 156 times (if they only attack half the turns) they asked what they needed to roll to hit.

        So what can you do to help your players?
        Ask if they have a copy of PHB. If they don’t, they need to download the free PDF rules for DnD Beyond or from WoTC’s basic rules.

        1. Demand players to explain Combat rules to each-other.

        I would demand each player to explain one part of the combat chapter to the rest of the players.
        Once you have learned something yourself, by looking into it and figuring it out well enough to explain it to someone else, you will remember a lot better.

        If you continue to pamper players, they have no incentive to learn the rules and they will not remember the rules themselves because they haven’t made the effort to understand the mechanics.

        2. Demand that each player prepares a character sheet

        You can check before the session if each character sheet is complete. The most easy way is everybody to make an account on DnD Beyond and so you can see the full sheets and point errors out.

        This will also force players to invest time in creating the sheet and reading the rules; or at least the class and features they are interested in.

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        • Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
          – NautArch
          Nov 29 at 18:14

        • Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
          – KorvinStarmast
          Nov 30 at 17:30

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        A lot of the other answers are great but I wanted to add something that I am doing with my new players that hopefully helps them remember why and where these numbers come from.

        Explain the “real” world reasons for these numbers

        Why do you factor in your Dex modifier when using a finesse weapon?
        Why do you add your proficiency to roll?
        Explaining where these numbers come from can help them

        1. Better understand the system and

        2. See the interactions between the character and the math.

        Every time one of my players asks what they add to their D20 to hit, if they don’t see it already calculated on their character sheet, I encourage them to do the full formula. “Its your Dex modifier plus your proficiency bonus because its a weapon based on how lithe you are and you have experience wielding it.”

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          Make a QuickRules ‘Cheat Sheet’

          As a new player myself (I’m only level 4 on my first character), I keep thinking what I need is a “game rules” cheat-sheet first not just a specific-numbers cheat-sheet for my character.

          I haven’t looked for one yet but I’m thinking something like …

          1. Skill Check (when asked / attempting to do something in character)

            • Roll D20 with bonus for that skill (from the character sheet).
          2. First contact at Encounters

            • DM will ask to roll initiative (roll D20 with initiative bonus from sheet & report to DM when asked).
          3. Making Attack (Choose which weapon or spell)
            • If Weapon
              • Declare Target and Weapon
              • Make Attack Roll (d20 + weapon attack bonus)
              • If DM says it hit, Make Damage Roll (weapon specifies dice & bonus)
            • If Spell
              • Declare Target & spell
              • Briefly read out spell rules to DM & group
              • DM makes saving throw
              • If damage occurs, make damage roll (spell specifies dice & bonus)

          This is probably way too simplistic and even wrong in places, but shows the kind of thing that would help me with what to do when, and tell me when to then go looking for other numbers and which number I am after.

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            A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

            Well that’s great because it seems to mean not all your players are new.

            I’ve been playing DnD for maybe 20 years so I’ve had the opportunity to teach this awesome game to many people.

            The best tip I can give you that’s always worked is to delegate.

            Match your new players with your more experienced ones. If they have a question, they can ask their “mentor” and then only if this person isn’t sure of the rule you guys can talk about it. It also opens the possibility of the mentee to ask questions to the mentor while you’re doing something else.

            Of course, this doesn’t exactly fix the fact that your players will know the rules but it will alleviate the burden on your part.

            You also need to consider that there are lot of rules in DnD, it can be pretty long before someone is at ease with the game.

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              Be prepared to tutor them in the rules.

              Much like video games have “tutorial” levels that are basically an exercise in playing the game, you will need to set up situations and encounters that are simple and actually walk them through the rules a few times before they can be expected to master them.

              Make them accountable for knowing their own characters.

              Characters in D&D have many special powers, spells and magic items that all have unique powers and uses in as many different situations that all have to be reconciled with each other. As a DM, you are responsible for adjudicating how these things act in concert, but the players should be able to tell you exactly what their powers and abilities are and how the work.

              If a player looks to you every time to explain what their options are, what their attacks are, how to calculate their attack roll, it shows that they don’t really know their character well enough. In these case, eventually you must push back and make them figure it out on their own. Like spoiled children, if you do it for them every time, they will never do it on their own.

              You do not have to be a jerk to accomplish this, though you will potentially have to call out players at the table.

              For Example:

              GM: Ok, Warrior, it is your turn, what do you want to do?

              Unprepared Warrior: I attack the nearest one… I rolled a 6.

              GM: That is a miss…

              Unprepared Warrior: Oh, wait I have to add my proficiency bonus…

              GM: Ok, what is the total then?

              Unprepared Warrior: Um, I don’t know… *looks at you expectantly*

              GM: Ok, we’ll skip you while you figure it out. Moving on… Mage! It’s your turn!

              Guaranteed that after being skipped over a few times the unprepared player will write down their attack bonus!

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                Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
                – Miniman
                Nov 28 at 23:14

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                @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
                – Destruktor
                Nov 29 at 1:15

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                It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
                – WakiNadiVellir
                Nov 29 at 20:30

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              Be prepared to tutor them in the rules.

              Much like video games have “tutorial” levels that are basically an exercise in playing the game, you will need to set up situations and encounters that are simple and actually walk them through the rules a few times before they can be expected to master them.

              Make them accountable for knowing their own characters.

              Characters in D&D have many special powers, spells and magic items that all have unique powers and uses in as many different situations that all have to be reconciled with each other. As a DM, you are responsible for adjudicating how these things act in concert, but the players should be able to tell you exactly what their powers and abilities are and how the work.

              If a player looks to you every time to explain what their options are, what their attacks are, how to calculate their attack roll, it shows that they don’t really know their character well enough. In these case, eventually you must push back and make them figure it out on their own. Like spoiled children, if you do it for them every time, they will never do it on their own.

              You do not have to be a jerk to accomplish this, though you will potentially have to call out players at the table.

              For Example:

              GM: Ok, Warrior, it is your turn, what do you want to do?

              Unprepared Warrior: I attack the nearest one… I rolled a 6.

              GM: That is a miss…

              Unprepared Warrior: Oh, wait I have to add my proficiency bonus…

              GM: Ok, what is the total then?

              Unprepared Warrior: Um, I don’t know… *looks at you expectantly*

              GM: Ok, we’ll skip you while you figure it out. Moving on… Mage! It’s your turn!

              Guaranteed that after being skipped over a few times the unprepared player will write down their attack bonus!

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                Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
                – Miniman
                Nov 28 at 23:14

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                @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
                – Destruktor
                Nov 29 at 1:15

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                It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
                – WakiNadiVellir
                Nov 29 at 20:30

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              Be prepared to tutor them in the rules.

              Much like video games have “tutorial” levels that are basically an exercise in playing the game, you will need to set up situations and encounters that are simple and actually walk them through the rules a few times before they can be expected to master them.

              Make them accountable for knowing their own characters.

              Characters in D&D have many special powers, spells and magic items that all have unique powers and uses in as many different situations that all have to be reconciled with each other. As a DM, you are responsible for adjudicating how these things act in concert, but the players should be able to tell you exactly what their powers and abilities are and how the work.

              If a player looks to you every time to explain what their options are, what their attacks are, how to calculate their attack roll, it shows that they don’t really know their character well enough. In these case, eventually you must push back and make them figure it out on their own. Like spoiled children, if you do it for them every time, they will never do it on their own.

              You do not have to be a jerk to accomplish this, though you will potentially have to call out players at the table.

              For Example:

              GM: Ok, Warrior, it is your turn, what do you want to do?

              Unprepared Warrior: I attack the nearest one… I rolled a 6.

              GM: That is a miss…

              Unprepared Warrior: Oh, wait I have to add my proficiency bonus…

              GM: Ok, what is the total then?

              Unprepared Warrior: Um, I don’t know… *looks at you expectantly*

              GM: Ok, we’ll skip you while you figure it out. Moving on… Mage! It’s your turn!

              Guaranteed that after being skipped over a few times the unprepared player will write down their attack bonus!

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              Be prepared to tutor them in the rules.

              Much like video games have “tutorial” levels that are basically an exercise in playing the game, you will need to set up situations and encounters that are simple and actually walk them through the rules a few times before they can be expected to master them.

              Make them accountable for knowing their own characters.

              Characters in D&D have many special powers, spells and magic items that all have unique powers and uses in as many different situations that all have to be reconciled with each other. As a DM, you are responsible for adjudicating how these things act in concert, but the players should be able to tell you exactly what their powers and abilities are and how the work.

              If a player looks to you every time to explain what their options are, what their attacks are, how to calculate their attack roll, it shows that they don’t really know their character well enough. In these case, eventually you must push back and make them figure it out on their own. Like spoiled children, if you do it for them every time, they will never do it on their own.

              You do not have to be a jerk to accomplish this, though you will potentially have to call out players at the table.

              For Example:

              GM: Ok, Warrior, it is your turn, what do you want to do?

              Unprepared Warrior: I attack the nearest one… I rolled a 6.

              GM: That is a miss…

              Unprepared Warrior: Oh, wait I have to add my proficiency bonus…

              GM: Ok, what is the total then?

              Unprepared Warrior: Um, I don’t know… *looks at you expectantly*

              GM: Ok, we’ll skip you while you figure it out. Moving on… Mage! It’s your turn!

              Guaranteed that after being skipped over a few times the unprepared player will write down their attack bonus!

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              edited Nov 29 at 4:32

              V2Blast

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              answered Nov 28 at 21:48

              Destruktor

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              • 2

                Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
                – Miniman
                Nov 28 at 23:14

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                @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
                – Destruktor
                Nov 29 at 1:15

              • 1

                It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
                – WakiNadiVellir
                Nov 29 at 20:30

              • 2

                Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
                – Miniman
                Nov 28 at 23:14

              • 26

                @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
                – Destruktor
                Nov 29 at 1:15

              • 1

                It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
                – WakiNadiVellir
                Nov 29 at 20:30

              2

              2

              Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
              – Miniman
              Nov 28 at 23:14

              Given that they’ve been playing every week for a year, this answer doesn’t seem applicable.
              – Miniman
              Nov 28 at 23:14

              26

              26

              @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
              – Destruktor
              Nov 29 at 1:15

              @Miniman The length of time they have been playing is really irrelevant. They are comfortable where they are (game-knowledge wise) and they need to be made uncomfortable if they are ever to progress.
              – Destruktor
              Nov 29 at 1:15

              1

              1

              It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
              – WakiNadiVellir
              Nov 29 at 20:30

              It’s worth pointing out, that it may also come to pass, that the player never learns, especially if they play a lot of games, or don’t play often. In the worst case this could lead to TPK, when going gets tough. Depending on group, this may or may not be a desirable consequence.
              – WakiNadiVellir
              Nov 29 at 20:30

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              If your players have been doing this for a year and are still having difficulty remembering something they have done hundreds of times, I suspect that one of a few things is happening:

              • Do your players have their full character sheets filled out? Have they written in the calculated bonus for each attack they make? Have they added up all the bonus points in each skill?
              • Have you encouraged your players to remember on their own or to coach each other? Or do your players reflexively ask you for help when they don’t actually need it? Have they just become used to being reliant on you for those things?
              • Have you recently given an overview lesson on how that general class of rolls works? Is it possible that they think that each roll is mysteriously unique?

              If you answered yes to all of those and it’s still an issue, then I would talk with the players individually and try to figure out where their confusion is. Make sure to not come off as overly concerned- it is a small thing, after all- but instead keep it focused on making sure they are able to have a good time. You could say something like “Hey, I noticed that you still seem a little confused about making attack rolls. It’s fine to ask for help, but I was wondering if you could tell me about why it’s confusing so that I can be more effective.”

              I hope that helps- Good luck!

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                If your players have been doing this for a year and are still having difficulty remembering something they have done hundreds of times, I suspect that one of a few things is happening:

                • Do your players have their full character sheets filled out? Have they written in the calculated bonus for each attack they make? Have they added up all the bonus points in each skill?
                • Have you encouraged your players to remember on their own or to coach each other? Or do your players reflexively ask you for help when they don’t actually need it? Have they just become used to being reliant on you for those things?
                • Have you recently given an overview lesson on how that general class of rolls works? Is it possible that they think that each roll is mysteriously unique?

                If you answered yes to all of those and it’s still an issue, then I would talk with the players individually and try to figure out where their confusion is. Make sure to not come off as overly concerned- it is a small thing, after all- but instead keep it focused on making sure they are able to have a good time. You could say something like “Hey, I noticed that you still seem a little confused about making attack rolls. It’s fine to ask for help, but I was wondering if you could tell me about why it’s confusing so that I can be more effective.”

                I hope that helps- Good luck!

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                  If your players have been doing this for a year and are still having difficulty remembering something they have done hundreds of times, I suspect that one of a few things is happening:

                  • Do your players have their full character sheets filled out? Have they written in the calculated bonus for each attack they make? Have they added up all the bonus points in each skill?
                  • Have you encouraged your players to remember on their own or to coach each other? Or do your players reflexively ask you for help when they don’t actually need it? Have they just become used to being reliant on you for those things?
                  • Have you recently given an overview lesson on how that general class of rolls works? Is it possible that they think that each roll is mysteriously unique?

                  If you answered yes to all of those and it’s still an issue, then I would talk with the players individually and try to figure out where their confusion is. Make sure to not come off as overly concerned- it is a small thing, after all- but instead keep it focused on making sure they are able to have a good time. You could say something like “Hey, I noticed that you still seem a little confused about making attack rolls. It’s fine to ask for help, but I was wondering if you could tell me about why it’s confusing so that I can be more effective.”

                  I hope that helps- Good luck!

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                  If your players have been doing this for a year and are still having difficulty remembering something they have done hundreds of times, I suspect that one of a few things is happening:

                  • Do your players have their full character sheets filled out? Have they written in the calculated bonus for each attack they make? Have they added up all the bonus points in each skill?
                  • Have you encouraged your players to remember on their own or to coach each other? Or do your players reflexively ask you for help when they don’t actually need it? Have they just become used to being reliant on you for those things?
                  • Have you recently given an overview lesson on how that general class of rolls works? Is it possible that they think that each roll is mysteriously unique?

                  If you answered yes to all of those and it’s still an issue, then I would talk with the players individually and try to figure out where their confusion is. Make sure to not come off as overly concerned- it is a small thing, after all- but instead keep it focused on making sure they are able to have a good time. You could say something like “Hey, I noticed that you still seem a little confused about making attack rolls. It’s fine to ask for help, but I was wondering if you could tell me about why it’s confusing so that I can be more effective.”

                  I hope that helps- Good luck!

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                  answered Nov 28 at 22:25

                  A Measure of Diplomacy

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                      Cheat Sheets

                      When I play slightly more complex characters I make a “Combat Turn Cheat Sheet”. The idea is I made this character work really well one way and I never want to forget a step so I start with the basics.

                      Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str + BAB + 1 (magic)

                      Damage: 2d6 +1d4 (GWM) + Str + 1 (magic)

                      additional steps or alterations just keep going with them looking like step on a stair case (if/else statements for programmers). Some things I would add are poisons if used often, feats or special abilities that tack on extra rolls.

                      For example, this is what my 3.5e Crusader looked like.

                      • pick a maneuver

                      • Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str (8) + BAB (8/3) + 3

                        • Damage: 3d6 + Str (8 * 1.5) + 3
                        • Maneuver: apply maneuver
                          • if critical apply vorporal: insta-kill
                      • Apply Knock Down (if damage > 15): 1d20 + Size (4) + Improved Trip (4) + Str (8)

                        • Attack of Opportunity: Attack Roll
                          • Attack of Opportunity: Damage Roll

                      I would assume anyone could dish out full damage on my character if they just read my card and followed the steps.

                      This can also be done for defense if needed.

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                        Cheat Sheets

                        When I play slightly more complex characters I make a “Combat Turn Cheat Sheet”. The idea is I made this character work really well one way and I never want to forget a step so I start with the basics.

                        Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str + BAB + 1 (magic)

                        Damage: 2d6 +1d4 (GWM) + Str + 1 (magic)

                        additional steps or alterations just keep going with them looking like step on a stair case (if/else statements for programmers). Some things I would add are poisons if used often, feats or special abilities that tack on extra rolls.

                        For example, this is what my 3.5e Crusader looked like.

                        • pick a maneuver

                        • Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str (8) + BAB (8/3) + 3

                          • Damage: 3d6 + Str (8 * 1.5) + 3
                          • Maneuver: apply maneuver
                            • if critical apply vorporal: insta-kill
                        • Apply Knock Down (if damage > 15): 1d20 + Size (4) + Improved Trip (4) + Str (8)

                          • Attack of Opportunity: Attack Roll
                            • Attack of Opportunity: Damage Roll

                        I would assume anyone could dish out full damage on my character if they just read my card and followed the steps.

                        This can also be done for defense if needed.

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                          up vote
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                          up vote
                          5
                          down vote

                          Cheat Sheets

                          When I play slightly more complex characters I make a “Combat Turn Cheat Sheet”. The idea is I made this character work really well one way and I never want to forget a step so I start with the basics.

                          Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str + BAB + 1 (magic)

                          Damage: 2d6 +1d4 (GWM) + Str + 1 (magic)

                          additional steps or alterations just keep going with them looking like step on a stair case (if/else statements for programmers). Some things I would add are poisons if used often, feats or special abilities that tack on extra rolls.

                          For example, this is what my 3.5e Crusader looked like.

                          • pick a maneuver

                          • Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str (8) + BAB (8/3) + 3

                            • Damage: 3d6 + Str (8 * 1.5) + 3
                            • Maneuver: apply maneuver
                              • if critical apply vorporal: insta-kill
                          • Apply Knock Down (if damage > 15): 1d20 + Size (4) + Improved Trip (4) + Str (8)

                            • Attack of Opportunity: Attack Roll
                              • Attack of Opportunity: Damage Roll

                          I would assume anyone could dish out full damage on my character if they just read my card and followed the steps.

                          This can also be done for defense if needed.

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                          Cheat Sheets

                          When I play slightly more complex characters I make a “Combat Turn Cheat Sheet”. The idea is I made this character work really well one way and I never want to forget a step so I start with the basics.

                          Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str + BAB + 1 (magic)

                          Damage: 2d6 +1d4 (GWM) + Str + 1 (magic)

                          additional steps or alterations just keep going with them looking like step on a stair case (if/else statements for programmers). Some things I would add are poisons if used often, feats or special abilities that tack on extra rolls.

                          For example, this is what my 3.5e Crusader looked like.

                          • pick a maneuver

                          • Attack Roll: 1d20 + Str (8) + BAB (8/3) + 3

                            • Damage: 3d6 + Str (8 * 1.5) + 3
                            • Maneuver: apply maneuver
                              • if critical apply vorporal: insta-kill
                          • Apply Knock Down (if damage > 15): 1d20 + Size (4) + Improved Trip (4) + Str (8)

                            • Attack of Opportunity: Attack Roll
                              • Attack of Opportunity: Damage Roll

                          I would assume anyone could dish out full damage on my character if they just read my card and followed the steps.

                          This can also be done for defense if needed.

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                          answered Nov 29 at 14:39

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                              I use a separate scratch note paper.

                              You could ask the players to write the relevant numbers in a piece of paper before the battle: Which weapon (just a letter or two), which dice, how much to add/subtract, THAC0, whatever the game needs. Same with the relevant often used proficiencies etc, so there’s no need to skim a long list to find just the right number. Keep the paper up to date when things change, ask player to add new weapons as they use them etc.

                              This is scratch paper, so there’s no need to be “neat”, just cross over old stuff and write new next to it. Therefore this paper is also good for keeping track of current HP and any such rapidly fluctuating resources. Just cross out the old value and write new next to it. There’s never supposed to be a lot of current numbers on this paper!

                              After the session, player might keep the paper for the next session, but it’s probably better to just rip it up after the session as a SOP, unless the session needed to end in the middle of a battle or something. This avoids having conflicting numbers on 2 papers at the start of the next session. Ripping it up also avoids the paper accidentally becoming a 2nd character sheet with important information on it.

                              It shouldn’t be long before the players stop needing the paper, but I just think it’s nice to have even when you know the rules. It frees my mind for more relevant things than remembering a bunch of numbers, or skimming through long list of proficiencies written with small text. Also, being able to write down loot, names and places etc quick&dirty, then copying it more carefully to character sheet after the session/during my char being out of the action suits me well.

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                                I use a separate scratch note paper.

                                You could ask the players to write the relevant numbers in a piece of paper before the battle: Which weapon (just a letter or two), which dice, how much to add/subtract, THAC0, whatever the game needs. Same with the relevant often used proficiencies etc, so there’s no need to skim a long list to find just the right number. Keep the paper up to date when things change, ask player to add new weapons as they use them etc.

                                This is scratch paper, so there’s no need to be “neat”, just cross over old stuff and write new next to it. Therefore this paper is also good for keeping track of current HP and any such rapidly fluctuating resources. Just cross out the old value and write new next to it. There’s never supposed to be a lot of current numbers on this paper!

                                After the session, player might keep the paper for the next session, but it’s probably better to just rip it up after the session as a SOP, unless the session needed to end in the middle of a battle or something. This avoids having conflicting numbers on 2 papers at the start of the next session. Ripping it up also avoids the paper accidentally becoming a 2nd character sheet with important information on it.

                                It shouldn’t be long before the players stop needing the paper, but I just think it’s nice to have even when you know the rules. It frees my mind for more relevant things than remembering a bunch of numbers, or skimming through long list of proficiencies written with small text. Also, being able to write down loot, names and places etc quick&dirty, then copying it more carefully to character sheet after the session/during my char being out of the action suits me well.

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                                  I use a separate scratch note paper.

                                  You could ask the players to write the relevant numbers in a piece of paper before the battle: Which weapon (just a letter or two), which dice, how much to add/subtract, THAC0, whatever the game needs. Same with the relevant often used proficiencies etc, so there’s no need to skim a long list to find just the right number. Keep the paper up to date when things change, ask player to add new weapons as they use them etc.

                                  This is scratch paper, so there’s no need to be “neat”, just cross over old stuff and write new next to it. Therefore this paper is also good for keeping track of current HP and any such rapidly fluctuating resources. Just cross out the old value and write new next to it. There’s never supposed to be a lot of current numbers on this paper!

                                  After the session, player might keep the paper for the next session, but it’s probably better to just rip it up after the session as a SOP, unless the session needed to end in the middle of a battle or something. This avoids having conflicting numbers on 2 papers at the start of the next session. Ripping it up also avoids the paper accidentally becoming a 2nd character sheet with important information on it.

                                  It shouldn’t be long before the players stop needing the paper, but I just think it’s nice to have even when you know the rules. It frees my mind for more relevant things than remembering a bunch of numbers, or skimming through long list of proficiencies written with small text. Also, being able to write down loot, names and places etc quick&dirty, then copying it more carefully to character sheet after the session/during my char being out of the action suits me well.

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                                  I use a separate scratch note paper.

                                  You could ask the players to write the relevant numbers in a piece of paper before the battle: Which weapon (just a letter or two), which dice, how much to add/subtract, THAC0, whatever the game needs. Same with the relevant often used proficiencies etc, so there’s no need to skim a long list to find just the right number. Keep the paper up to date when things change, ask player to add new weapons as they use them etc.

                                  This is scratch paper, so there’s no need to be “neat”, just cross over old stuff and write new next to it. Therefore this paper is also good for keeping track of current HP and any such rapidly fluctuating resources. Just cross out the old value and write new next to it. There’s never supposed to be a lot of current numbers on this paper!

                                  After the session, player might keep the paper for the next session, but it’s probably better to just rip it up after the session as a SOP, unless the session needed to end in the middle of a battle or something. This avoids having conflicting numbers on 2 papers at the start of the next session. Ripping it up also avoids the paper accidentally becoming a 2nd character sheet with important information on it.

                                  It shouldn’t be long before the players stop needing the paper, but I just think it’s nice to have even when you know the rules. It frees my mind for more relevant things than remembering a bunch of numbers, or skimming through long list of proficiencies written with small text. Also, being able to write down loot, names and places etc quick&dirty, then copying it more carefully to character sheet after the session/during my char being out of the action suits me well.

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                                  edited Nov 29 at 6:44

                                  answered Nov 29 at 6:39

                                  WakiNadiVellir

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                                      Suggest players use digital character sheets

                                      In addition to Destruktor’s suggestions, several members of my group use D&D Beyond to build digital character sheets that automatically do all the calculations for them. That way, they just have 1 number to add to their rolls and all they have to do is know which skill or weapon or spell to look at on their sheet.

                                      They mostly play from their phone or tablet but I think there’s a way to print off the character sheet, too.

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                                      • There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
                                        – V2Blast
                                        Nov 29 at 4:33

                                      • I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
                                        – El_Jairo
                                        Nov 29 at 15:20

                                      • I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
                                        – Rykara
                                        Nov 29 at 18:58

                                      up vote
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                                      Suggest players use digital character sheets

                                      In addition to Destruktor’s suggestions, several members of my group use D&D Beyond to build digital character sheets that automatically do all the calculations for them. That way, they just have 1 number to add to their rolls and all they have to do is know which skill or weapon or spell to look at on their sheet.

                                      They mostly play from their phone or tablet but I think there’s a way to print off the character sheet, too.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      • There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
                                        – V2Blast
                                        Nov 29 at 4:33

                                      • I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
                                        – El_Jairo
                                        Nov 29 at 15:20

                                      • I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
                                        – Rykara
                                        Nov 29 at 18:58

                                      up vote
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                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      Suggest players use digital character sheets

                                      In addition to Destruktor’s suggestions, several members of my group use D&D Beyond to build digital character sheets that automatically do all the calculations for them. That way, they just have 1 number to add to their rolls and all they have to do is know which skill or weapon or spell to look at on their sheet.

                                      They mostly play from their phone or tablet but I think there’s a way to print off the character sheet, too.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      Suggest players use digital character sheets

                                      In addition to Destruktor’s suggestions, several members of my group use D&D Beyond to build digital character sheets that automatically do all the calculations for them. That way, they just have 1 number to add to their rolls and all they have to do is know which skill or weapon or spell to look at on their sheet.

                                      They mostly play from their phone or tablet but I think there’s a way to print off the character sheet, too.

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                                      answered Nov 28 at 22:11

                                      Rykara

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                                      • There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
                                        – V2Blast
                                        Nov 29 at 4:33

                                      • I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
                                        – El_Jairo
                                        Nov 29 at 15:20

                                      • I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
                                        – Rykara
                                        Nov 29 at 18:58

                                      • There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
                                        – V2Blast
                                        Nov 29 at 4:33

                                      • I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
                                        – El_Jairo
                                        Nov 29 at 15:20

                                      • I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
                                        – Rykara
                                        Nov 29 at 18:58

                                      There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
                                      – V2Blast
                                      Nov 29 at 4:33

                                      There is indeed a way to print it. When viewing the character sheet, click the dropdown menu by the character name (or click the name itself), then click “Export Sheet”. D&D Beyond will export it as a PDF.
                                      – V2Blast
                                      Nov 29 at 4:33

                                      I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
                                      – El_Jairo
                                      Nov 29 at 15:20

                                      I would advise against using your phone for the DnD beyond character sheet as it will be too small to be really practical and, most importantly, they will get distracted by other things on their phone. Tablets are fine, they are bigger and are really handy to keep track of things.
                                      – El_Jairo
                                      Nov 29 at 15:20

                                      I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
                                      – Rykara
                                      Nov 29 at 18:58

                                      I agree, personally. I’m a big fan of old fashioned pen & paper. One of the in my group who has her character sheet on her phone definitely gets distracted easily. But the others definitely seem to benefit from the electronic version without getting distracted. Plus, like I said, one can use the digital version to do the math and then print it off to help reduce the temptation of distraction.
                                      – Rykara
                                      Nov 29 at 18:58

                                      up vote
                                      2
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                                      Different people learn differently

                                      There are other resources available to help them. While Destruktor’s answer is the best one, I want to supplement that suggestion with the option of using video instructions from YouTube (Like Handbooker Helper from the Critical Role guys)

                                      There are a lot of basic tutorials out there that may help out, and seeing it done in an instructional video may help people who learn best by watching.

                                      In play, a lot is going on, and it can be confusing for a new player to compartmentalize everything coming at them at once.

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                                      • Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
                                        – L.S. Cooper
                                        Nov 29 at 17:44

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      Different people learn differently

                                      There are other resources available to help them. While Destruktor’s answer is the best one, I want to supplement that suggestion with the option of using video instructions from YouTube (Like Handbooker Helper from the Critical Role guys)

                                      There are a lot of basic tutorials out there that may help out, and seeing it done in an instructional video may help people who learn best by watching.

                                      In play, a lot is going on, and it can be confusing for a new player to compartmentalize everything coming at them at once.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      • Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
                                        – L.S. Cooper
                                        Nov 29 at 17:44

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      Different people learn differently

                                      There are other resources available to help them. While Destruktor’s answer is the best one, I want to supplement that suggestion with the option of using video instructions from YouTube (Like Handbooker Helper from the Critical Role guys)

                                      There are a lot of basic tutorials out there that may help out, and seeing it done in an instructional video may help people who learn best by watching.

                                      In play, a lot is going on, and it can be confusing for a new player to compartmentalize everything coming at them at once.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      Different people learn differently

                                      There are other resources available to help them. While Destruktor’s answer is the best one, I want to supplement that suggestion with the option of using video instructions from YouTube (Like Handbooker Helper from the Critical Role guys)

                                      There are a lot of basic tutorials out there that may help out, and seeing it done in an instructional video may help people who learn best by watching.

                                      In play, a lot is going on, and it can be confusing for a new player to compartmentalize everything coming at them at once.

                                      share|improve this answer

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                                      answered Nov 29 at 14:47

                                      MarkTO

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                                      • Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
                                        – L.S. Cooper
                                        Nov 29 at 17:44

                                      • Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
                                        – L.S. Cooper
                                        Nov 29 at 17:44

                                      Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
                                      – L.S. Cooper
                                      Nov 29 at 17:44

                                      Your header is everything. I have a player who consistently plays clerics, and consistently has no idea which modifiers she should be adding to things/forgets how long spells take to cast/etc. But I also know her well enough to know that she struggles a lot with reading and with figuring out math (we’ve been friends for six years and talk a lot), so I just sort of accept that it’s going to be part of playing with her.
                                      – L.S. Cooper
                                      Nov 29 at 17:44

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      What I always say about a gaming system:
                                      “At one point it is very handy to read the rules to play the game correctly and completely.”

                                      I wonder what type of people you are playing with because after a year of weekly playing, that would mean 52 game sessions with one or more combats per session with let’s assume 4 combat turns. That’s about at least 156 times (if they only attack half the turns) they asked what they needed to roll to hit.

                                      So what can you do to help your players?
                                      Ask if they have a copy of PHB. If they don’t, they need to download the free PDF rules for DnD Beyond or from WoTC’s basic rules.

                                      1. Demand players to explain Combat rules to each-other.

                                      I would demand each player to explain one part of the combat chapter to the rest of the players.
                                      Once you have learned something yourself, by looking into it and figuring it out well enough to explain it to someone else, you will remember a lot better.

                                      If you continue to pamper players, they have no incentive to learn the rules and they will not remember the rules themselves because they haven’t made the effort to understand the mechanics.

                                      2. Demand that each player prepares a character sheet

                                      You can check before the session if each character sheet is complete. The most easy way is everybody to make an account on DnD Beyond and so you can see the full sheets and point errors out.

                                      This will also force players to invest time in creating the sheet and reading the rules; or at least the class and features they are interested in.

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                                      • Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
                                        – NautArch
                                        Nov 29 at 18:14

                                      • Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
                                        – KorvinStarmast
                                        Nov 30 at 17:30

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      What I always say about a gaming system:
                                      “At one point it is very handy to read the rules to play the game correctly and completely.”

                                      I wonder what type of people you are playing with because after a year of weekly playing, that would mean 52 game sessions with one or more combats per session with let’s assume 4 combat turns. That’s about at least 156 times (if they only attack half the turns) they asked what they needed to roll to hit.

                                      So what can you do to help your players?
                                      Ask if they have a copy of PHB. If they don’t, they need to download the free PDF rules for DnD Beyond or from WoTC’s basic rules.

                                      1. Demand players to explain Combat rules to each-other.

                                      I would demand each player to explain one part of the combat chapter to the rest of the players.
                                      Once you have learned something yourself, by looking into it and figuring it out well enough to explain it to someone else, you will remember a lot better.

                                      If you continue to pamper players, they have no incentive to learn the rules and they will not remember the rules themselves because they haven’t made the effort to understand the mechanics.

                                      2. Demand that each player prepares a character sheet

                                      You can check before the session if each character sheet is complete. The most easy way is everybody to make an account on DnD Beyond and so you can see the full sheets and point errors out.

                                      This will also force players to invest time in creating the sheet and reading the rules; or at least the class and features they are interested in.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      • Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
                                        – NautArch
                                        Nov 29 at 18:14

                                      • Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
                                        – KorvinStarmast
                                        Nov 30 at 17:30

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      up vote
                                      2
                                      down vote

                                      What I always say about a gaming system:
                                      “At one point it is very handy to read the rules to play the game correctly and completely.”

                                      I wonder what type of people you are playing with because after a year of weekly playing, that would mean 52 game sessions with one or more combats per session with let’s assume 4 combat turns. That’s about at least 156 times (if they only attack half the turns) they asked what they needed to roll to hit.

                                      So what can you do to help your players?
                                      Ask if they have a copy of PHB. If they don’t, they need to download the free PDF rules for DnD Beyond or from WoTC’s basic rules.

                                      1. Demand players to explain Combat rules to each-other.

                                      I would demand each player to explain one part of the combat chapter to the rest of the players.
                                      Once you have learned something yourself, by looking into it and figuring it out well enough to explain it to someone else, you will remember a lot better.

                                      If you continue to pamper players, they have no incentive to learn the rules and they will not remember the rules themselves because they haven’t made the effort to understand the mechanics.

                                      2. Demand that each player prepares a character sheet

                                      You can check before the session if each character sheet is complete. The most easy way is everybody to make an account on DnD Beyond and so you can see the full sheets and point errors out.

                                      This will also force players to invest time in creating the sheet and reading the rules; or at least the class and features they are interested in.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      What I always say about a gaming system:
                                      “At one point it is very handy to read the rules to play the game correctly and completely.”

                                      I wonder what type of people you are playing with because after a year of weekly playing, that would mean 52 game sessions with one or more combats per session with let’s assume 4 combat turns. That’s about at least 156 times (if they only attack half the turns) they asked what they needed to roll to hit.

                                      So what can you do to help your players?
                                      Ask if they have a copy of PHB. If they don’t, they need to download the free PDF rules for DnD Beyond or from WoTC’s basic rules.

                                      1. Demand players to explain Combat rules to each-other.

                                      I would demand each player to explain one part of the combat chapter to the rest of the players.
                                      Once you have learned something yourself, by looking into it and figuring it out well enough to explain it to someone else, you will remember a lot better.

                                      If you continue to pamper players, they have no incentive to learn the rules and they will not remember the rules themselves because they haven’t made the effort to understand the mechanics.

                                      2. Demand that each player prepares a character sheet

                                      You can check before the session if each character sheet is complete. The most easy way is everybody to make an account on DnD Beyond and so you can see the full sheets and point errors out.

                                      This will also force players to invest time in creating the sheet and reading the rules; or at least the class and features they are interested in.

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      share|improve this answer

                                      edited Nov 29 at 22:36

                                      KorvinStarmast

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                                      answered Nov 29 at 18:13

                                      El_Jairo

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                                      • Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
                                        – NautArch
                                        Nov 29 at 18:14

                                      • Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
                                        – KorvinStarmast
                                        Nov 30 at 17:30

                                      • Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
                                        – NautArch
                                        Nov 29 at 18:14

                                      • Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
                                        – KorvinStarmast
                                        Nov 30 at 17:30

                                      Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
                                      – NautArch
                                      Nov 29 at 18:14

                                      Your use of ‘demand’ may be a bit harsh..
                                      – NautArch
                                      Nov 29 at 18:14

                                      Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
                                      – KorvinStarmast
                                      Nov 30 at 17:30

                                      Require might be a more neutral term to say the same as demand, per @NautArch comment. Suggest you make the edit.
                                      – KorvinStarmast
                                      Nov 30 at 17:30

                                      up vote
                                      1
                                      down vote

                                      A lot of the other answers are great but I wanted to add something that I am doing with my new players that hopefully helps them remember why and where these numbers come from.

                                      Explain the “real” world reasons for these numbers

                                      Why do you factor in your Dex modifier when using a finesse weapon?
                                      Why do you add your proficiency to roll?
                                      Explaining where these numbers come from can help them

                                      1. Better understand the system and

                                      2. See the interactions between the character and the math.

                                      Every time one of my players asks what they add to their D20 to hit, if they don’t see it already calculated on their character sheet, I encourage them to do the full formula. “Its your Dex modifier plus your proficiency bonus because its a weapon based on how lithe you are and you have experience wielding it.”

                                      share|improve this answer

                                        up vote
                                        1
                                        down vote

                                        A lot of the other answers are great but I wanted to add something that I am doing with my new players that hopefully helps them remember why and where these numbers come from.

                                        Explain the “real” world reasons for these numbers

                                        Why do you factor in your Dex modifier when using a finesse weapon?
                                        Why do you add your proficiency to roll?
                                        Explaining where these numbers come from can help them

                                        1. Better understand the system and

                                        2. See the interactions between the character and the math.

                                        Every time one of my players asks what they add to their D20 to hit, if they don’t see it already calculated on their character sheet, I encourage them to do the full formula. “Its your Dex modifier plus your proficiency bonus because its a weapon based on how lithe you are and you have experience wielding it.”

                                        share|improve this answer

                                          up vote
                                          1
                                          down vote

                                          up vote
                                          1
                                          down vote

                                          A lot of the other answers are great but I wanted to add something that I am doing with my new players that hopefully helps them remember why and where these numbers come from.

                                          Explain the “real” world reasons for these numbers

                                          Why do you factor in your Dex modifier when using a finesse weapon?
                                          Why do you add your proficiency to roll?
                                          Explaining where these numbers come from can help them

                                          1. Better understand the system and

                                          2. See the interactions between the character and the math.

                                          Every time one of my players asks what they add to their D20 to hit, if they don’t see it already calculated on their character sheet, I encourage them to do the full formula. “Its your Dex modifier plus your proficiency bonus because its a weapon based on how lithe you are and you have experience wielding it.”

                                          share|improve this answer

                                          A lot of the other answers are great but I wanted to add something that I am doing with my new players that hopefully helps them remember why and where these numbers come from.

                                          Explain the “real” world reasons for these numbers

                                          Why do you factor in your Dex modifier when using a finesse weapon?
                                          Why do you add your proficiency to roll?
                                          Explaining where these numbers come from can help them

                                          1. Better understand the system and

                                          2. See the interactions between the character and the math.

                                          Every time one of my players asks what they add to their D20 to hit, if they don’t see it already calculated on their character sheet, I encourage them to do the full formula. “Its your Dex modifier plus your proficiency bonus because its a weapon based on how lithe you are and you have experience wielding it.”

                                          share|improve this answer

                                          share|improve this answer

                                          share|improve this answer

                                          edited Nov 29 at 22:41

                                          KorvinStarmast

                                          72.8k17227398

                                          72.8k17227398

                                          answered Nov 29 at 18:33

                                          Stickyz

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                                              Make a QuickRules ‘Cheat Sheet’

                                              As a new player myself (I’m only level 4 on my first character), I keep thinking what I need is a “game rules” cheat-sheet first not just a specific-numbers cheat-sheet for my character.

                                              I haven’t looked for one yet but I’m thinking something like …

                                              1. Skill Check (when asked / attempting to do something in character)

                                                • Roll D20 with bonus for that skill (from the character sheet).
                                              2. First contact at Encounters

                                                • DM will ask to roll initiative (roll D20 with initiative bonus from sheet & report to DM when asked).
                                              3. Making Attack (Choose which weapon or spell)
                                                • If Weapon
                                                  • Declare Target and Weapon
                                                  • Make Attack Roll (d20 + weapon attack bonus)
                                                  • If DM says it hit, Make Damage Roll (weapon specifies dice & bonus)
                                                • If Spell
                                                  • Declare Target & spell
                                                  • Briefly read out spell rules to DM & group
                                                  • DM makes saving throw
                                                  • If damage occurs, make damage roll (spell specifies dice & bonus)

                                              This is probably way too simplistic and even wrong in places, but shows the kind of thing that would help me with what to do when, and tell me when to then go looking for other numbers and which number I am after.

                                              share|improve this answer

                                                up vote
                                                0
                                                down vote

                                                Make a QuickRules ‘Cheat Sheet’

                                                As a new player myself (I’m only level 4 on my first character), I keep thinking what I need is a “game rules” cheat-sheet first not just a specific-numbers cheat-sheet for my character.

                                                I haven’t looked for one yet but I’m thinking something like …

                                                1. Skill Check (when asked / attempting to do something in character)

                                                  • Roll D20 with bonus for that skill (from the character sheet).
                                                2. First contact at Encounters

                                                  • DM will ask to roll initiative (roll D20 with initiative bonus from sheet & report to DM when asked).
                                                3. Making Attack (Choose which weapon or spell)
                                                  • If Weapon
                                                    • Declare Target and Weapon
                                                    • Make Attack Roll (d20 + weapon attack bonus)
                                                    • If DM says it hit, Make Damage Roll (weapon specifies dice & bonus)
                                                  • If Spell
                                                    • Declare Target & spell
                                                    • Briefly read out spell rules to DM & group
                                                    • DM makes saving throw
                                                    • If damage occurs, make damage roll (spell specifies dice & bonus)

                                                This is probably way too simplistic and even wrong in places, but shows the kind of thing that would help me with what to do when, and tell me when to then go looking for other numbers and which number I am after.

                                                share|improve this answer

                                                  up vote
                                                  0
                                                  down vote

                                                  up vote
                                                  0
                                                  down vote

                                                  Make a QuickRules ‘Cheat Sheet’

                                                  As a new player myself (I’m only level 4 on my first character), I keep thinking what I need is a “game rules” cheat-sheet first not just a specific-numbers cheat-sheet for my character.

                                                  I haven’t looked for one yet but I’m thinking something like …

                                                  1. Skill Check (when asked / attempting to do something in character)

                                                    • Roll D20 with bonus for that skill (from the character sheet).
                                                  2. First contact at Encounters

                                                    • DM will ask to roll initiative (roll D20 with initiative bonus from sheet & report to DM when asked).
                                                  3. Making Attack (Choose which weapon or spell)
                                                    • If Weapon
                                                      • Declare Target and Weapon
                                                      • Make Attack Roll (d20 + weapon attack bonus)
                                                      • If DM says it hit, Make Damage Roll (weapon specifies dice & bonus)
                                                    • If Spell
                                                      • Declare Target & spell
                                                      • Briefly read out spell rules to DM & group
                                                      • DM makes saving throw
                                                      • If damage occurs, make damage roll (spell specifies dice & bonus)

                                                  This is probably way too simplistic and even wrong in places, but shows the kind of thing that would help me with what to do when, and tell me when to then go looking for other numbers and which number I am after.

                                                  share|improve this answer

                                                  Make a QuickRules ‘Cheat Sheet’

                                                  As a new player myself (I’m only level 4 on my first character), I keep thinking what I need is a “game rules” cheat-sheet first not just a specific-numbers cheat-sheet for my character.

                                                  I haven’t looked for one yet but I’m thinking something like …

                                                  1. Skill Check (when asked / attempting to do something in character)

                                                    • Roll D20 with bonus for that skill (from the character sheet).
                                                  2. First contact at Encounters

                                                    • DM will ask to roll initiative (roll D20 with initiative bonus from sheet & report to DM when asked).
                                                  3. Making Attack (Choose which weapon or spell)
                                                    • If Weapon
                                                      • Declare Target and Weapon
                                                      • Make Attack Roll (d20 + weapon attack bonus)
                                                      • If DM says it hit, Make Damage Roll (weapon specifies dice & bonus)
                                                    • If Spell
                                                      • Declare Target & spell
                                                      • Briefly read out spell rules to DM & group
                                                      • DM makes saving throw
                                                      • If damage occurs, make damage roll (spell specifies dice & bonus)

                                                  This is probably way too simplistic and even wrong in places, but shows the kind of thing that would help me with what to do when, and tell me when to then go looking for other numbers and which number I am after.

                                                  share|improve this answer

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                                                  edited Nov 30 at 17:29

                                                  answered Nov 29 at 22:33

                                                  Dragonel

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                                                      A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

                                                      Well that’s great because it seems to mean not all your players are new.

                                                      I’ve been playing DnD for maybe 20 years so I’ve had the opportunity to teach this awesome game to many people.

                                                      The best tip I can give you that’s always worked is to delegate.

                                                      Match your new players with your more experienced ones. If they have a question, they can ask their “mentor” and then only if this person isn’t sure of the rule you guys can talk about it. It also opens the possibility of the mentee to ask questions to the mentor while you’re doing something else.

                                                      Of course, this doesn’t exactly fix the fact that your players will know the rules but it will alleviate the burden on your part.

                                                      You also need to consider that there are lot of rules in DnD, it can be pretty long before someone is at ease with the game.

                                                      share|improve this answer

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                                                        A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

                                                        Well that’s great because it seems to mean not all your players are new.

                                                        I’ve been playing DnD for maybe 20 years so I’ve had the opportunity to teach this awesome game to many people.

                                                        The best tip I can give you that’s always worked is to delegate.

                                                        Match your new players with your more experienced ones. If they have a question, they can ask their “mentor” and then only if this person isn’t sure of the rule you guys can talk about it. It also opens the possibility of the mentee to ask questions to the mentor while you’re doing something else.

                                                        Of course, this doesn’t exactly fix the fact that your players will know the rules but it will alleviate the burden on your part.

                                                        You also need to consider that there are lot of rules in DnD, it can be pretty long before someone is at ease with the game.

                                                        share|improve this answer

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                                                          A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

                                                          Well that’s great because it seems to mean not all your players are new.

                                                          I’ve been playing DnD for maybe 20 years so I’ve had the opportunity to teach this awesome game to many people.

                                                          The best tip I can give you that’s always worked is to delegate.

                                                          Match your new players with your more experienced ones. If they have a question, they can ask their “mentor” and then only if this person isn’t sure of the rule you guys can talk about it. It also opens the possibility of the mentee to ask questions to the mentor while you’re doing something else.

                                                          Of course, this doesn’t exactly fix the fact that your players will know the rules but it will alleviate the burden on your part.

                                                          You also need to consider that there are lot of rules in DnD, it can be pretty long before someone is at ease with the game.

                                                          share|improve this answer

                                                          A couple of them have never played before so I understand that they will likely not remember a ton of the rules.

                                                          Well that’s great because it seems to mean not all your players are new.

                                                          I’ve been playing DnD for maybe 20 years so I’ve had the opportunity to teach this awesome game to many people.

                                                          The best tip I can give you that’s always worked is to delegate.

                                                          Match your new players with your more experienced ones. If they have a question, they can ask their “mentor” and then only if this person isn’t sure of the rule you guys can talk about it. It also opens the possibility of the mentee to ask questions to the mentor while you’re doing something else.

                                                          Of course, this doesn’t exactly fix the fact that your players will know the rules but it will alleviate the burden on your part.

                                                          You also need to consider that there are lot of rules in DnD, it can be pretty long before someone is at ease with the game.

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